Frédéric Lasserre: Territorial discourses, mental images, space-time, South China Sea

Interview by: Leonhardt van Efferink (February 2010) Tags: Territorial discourses mental images Arctic South China Sea multipolar world

Frédéric Lasserre

Frédéric Lasserre

Frédéric Lasserre

Professor Frédéric Lasserre obtained his PhD in Geography at the University of Saint Etienne and currently works at the Department of Geography of Laval University in Quebec. One of his specialisations is the geopolitics of water.

Mr Lasserre is also researcher at l’Institut québécois des hautes études internationales (IQHEI), where he heads l’Observatoire de recherches internationales sur l’eau (ORIE). Furthermore, he is researcher at la Chaire Raoul-Dandurand en études stratégiques et diplomatiques (Université du Québec à Montréal).

His latest book on geopolitics is called “Manuel de géopolitique: Enjeux de pouvoir sur des territoires” (with Emmanuel Gonon):

Book description by Armand Colin

Please have a look at this page for overview of Frédéric Lasserre’s publications:

Publication list of Frédéric Lasserre

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Your relationship with geopolitics

At what age did you discover geopolitics and what attracted you to it?

I began reading geopolitics when I was 24, when I worked for a consulting group specialized in political geography. I had studied in business administration before and did not study geopolitics before this first job. This professional opportunity was a real chance for me as it enabled me to realize my personal interest in geography could serve professional goals and was very relevant when analyzing territorial issues.

Which geopolitical topics have your focus and why did you choose especially these?

Our topics at work, with this consulting group named Observatoire Européen de Géopolitique, were the political transformations of Eastern Europe in the wake of the fall of the communist governments, starting in 1989. But my PhD subject was on the maritime border issues of the South China Sea. I was very interested in this topic because of the complexity of the actors’ relations, because of the contradictory images the States involved used or did not want to use, because of the link between space, border, territorial images and discourse.

Frédéric Lasserre’s books on water

Frédéric Lasserre

“Les guerres de l’eau: L’eau au coeur des conflits du XXIe siècle”, Delavilla , 2009

Frédéric Lasserre

“Politiques de l’eau – Grands principes et réalités locales”, with Alexandre Brun, Les Presses de l’Université du Québec, 2006

Frédéric Lasserre

“Eaux et territoires”, with Luc Descroix, Les Presses de l’Université du Québec, 2005.

Frédéric Lasserre

“Transferts massifs d’eau – Outils de développement ou instrument de pouvoir?”, Québec, Les Presses de l’Université Laval, 2005.

I later developed two other axes of research:

  • Water politics: growing tensions over water management have been depicted as a threat for international security. I wanted to understand how and why water mattered for security, what the different sorts of use were, and again what discourses and images were associated with water by the different stakeholders.
  • Arctic geopolitics: in the frame of climate change, the melting sea ice triggered speculation as to when the famous Northwest and Northeast Passages would open for international shipping. Receding ice also makes natural resources exploitation more profitable, in the context of growing needs from emerging economies. But it remains unlikely that the Northwest Passage will ever compete with the Panama Canal, and Arctic mining remains costly. The region is changing indeed, but representations are often far-fetched, fueling scenarios like a new Cold War, or even a real war, for Arctic resources and control of sea lanes. What is real, likely, and what is the product of Hollywood-like scenarios?

What do you consider your most important contribution to geopolitics?

I wrote two theoretical books about geopolitics with my colleague Emmanuel Gonon, “Manuel de géopolitique. Enjeux de pouvoir sur des territoires” and “Espaces et enjeux: méthodes d’une géopolitique critique.”, with a view to describing the epistemological history of geopolitics, the methods, the different approaches to the field.

I also conducted practical research in geopolitics. I headed research teams in two fields, water conflicts and management, as well as Arctic geopolitics. Regarding water management, I published books and articles, notably “Eaux et territoires: tensions, coopérations et géopolitique de l’eau” as well as “Transferts massifs d’eau. Outils de développement ou instrument de pouvoir?”.

As far as the Arctic is concerned, I am in the process of finishing a book that should be published in Spring 2010, depicting the economic, social, political changes climate change is triggering in the region.

My geopolitical preferences

What is your favourite definition of geopolitics?

In my view, geopolitics is the study of all power stakes and struggles over territory. Whenever actors (not merely States) have projects dealing with territory that trigger a struggle with other actors, their relationship can be studied by geopolitics. This definition gives a very wide range of potential case studies, from the global scale to the very local, and with a large variety of actors: states, but also cities, associations, pressure groups, companies…

This definition runs contrary to another one commonly found, which merely stresses the power struggles between States at the global scale. If this is indeed part of geopolitics, I think we would be missing several issues with such a limited definition: first, what then would be the difference with international relations? and second, why limit geopolitics to this scale, whereas geography is precisely about scales of analysis of our space and territory?

Which geopolitical scientist do you admire the most?

I really appreciate the work of French geographer Michel Foucher about borders (see next question), where he stresses precisely the need to analyse every case study at different scales in space and time, using the actors’ mental images as well as taking other fields into consideration, such as sociology or economics. Geopolitics, like geography, is certainly not about an effort to discover so-called laws of geopolitics, which are a chimera, but about the analysis of the complexity of every case study.

What is your favourite geopolitical book?

“Fronts et frontières” by Michel Foucher (1991) is therefore one of my favourites, for the reasons listed above. It also reminded geographers and political scientists that borders are worthwhile studying in their definition, at different scales.

What is your favourite geopolitical website?

No specific website.

The geopolitical future

In what direction(s) will geopolitical science be heading the coming decades?

I think that, contrary to several political scientists, space and territory are not going to lose importance, quite the contrary. Border issues remain strategic; chokepoints in transportation retain their relevance. However, the world is increasingly multipolar: more countries will be competing and cooperating to have access to markets, resources and security. This can be done in a competition mode, but this is not necessary, for there is room for cooperation.

Which geopolitical subject has been too little in the spotlight and needs further research?

I believe that, as geopolitical theorists Yves Lacoste, Michel Foucher and Gearoid O’Tuathail clearly underlined, actors do not have a rational behaviour, as predicted by the realist theory. They act according to what they perceive as reality, but this perception is altered by their mindset, their understanding of the situation, and their own prejudice. They may be rational but their view of the reality remains subjective. Several situations could be better understood if this fundamental aspect of geopolitics was better studied.

What will be the largest geopolitical challenge for the world in the 21st century?

Solve water, agriculture development issues, so as not only to counter the declining growth rates in food output, but also to enable local economies to develop themselves at least on a rural basis. Poor developing countries are facing real stability challenges if they do not manage to at least guarantee basic food supply.

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